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Episode 23: Films & Movies

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Rozhovor s britským kameramanem Joem o filmech známých i méně známých.  Povídáme si o Pánovi Prstenů, Harry Potterovi, Barbie, Oppenheimerovi, Lásce nebeské... Také o tom, jak La La Land vyhrál v roce 2017 Oscara za nejlepší film, a nakonec ho vlastně nevyhrál nebo jak Joe na filmovém festivalu v Cannes viděl Eltona Johna a já zase v Londýně seděla v kině jen kousek od Rihanny a Cary Delevingne. To vše a mnohem víc!

Speaker 1:

Thanks for watching.

Speaker 2:

So hi, everybody, and welcome to today's very, very exciting and happy. I don't know what's it gonna be, I'm very happy. I'm very happy too, and today we're here with my very good friend, joe. Hi Joe.

Speaker 3:

Hello Pav.

Speaker 2:

Long time no here, no see.

Speaker 3:

Yes, yeah, yeah, we. I think. When was the last time we did this? I think we had it was during COVID, wasn't it 2020.

Speaker 2:

2021, so three years 2021.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, oh gosh, but no, it's really good to catch up with like time. Time has kind of gone on. We've all grown, we've all wrinkled and gray hair. Yes, I think last time I looked back on like an old photo and I think last time I was wearing a flat cap and I was like I think I just yeah, I just shaved my head at that point, or I was a little embarrassed to put it on camera. I think now I've grown into it a bit more embraced it.

Speaker 2:

Well, last time we spoke about British stereotypes, so you looked like you were from Peaky Blinders, so it's okay.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, we'll say that was intentional.

Speaker 2:

Okay, well, and this time this week, we are actually talking about something that we both love, that we're both very passionate about, and that is films and movies, right, yep indeed. Do you say films or movies?

Speaker 3:

It depends what it is. I think, if I don't know I don't want to be all pretentious, but I would probably classify like things that would be more art house or things that I guess would have taken a bit more care to really move an audience member, or like provoke a thought, that would probably be more film. And then I would say like a big blockbuster would be like a kind of movie. I suppose I don't know. If it weren't like in the classification, I'd probably say like the Avengers is more of a movie than the King's Speech is a film kind of thing. You know?

Speaker 2:

Ah, okay, interesting, because I thought Americans would say movie, british people would say film, but no, yeah, I think the default I would normally say is like film.

Speaker 3:

But like I think movies that kind of comes with the big kind of going to the movies, going to see like a huge spectacle and making a lot of money in Hollywood, kind of thing. That's what I think of movies like that.

Speaker 2:

Okay and so, joe, you studied film. You worked in different film companies film studios in London. Now you work in a film company over in Canada. Why did you choose to pursue your future in this field?

Speaker 3:

Well, growing up I think I had a lot of different ideas of what I wanted to do. If you look back on like home videos, I'm saying I wanted to be a fireman, a chef, a wrestler, all probably at the same time.

Speaker 2:

A wrestler.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, but I think I was quite lucky in that. Like I decided that I wanted to do this quite young and I always kind of knew that I kind of wanted to do something along these kind of things because my dad would make home videos so I'd watch him editing them and he would. They were quite funny, like he would want them to be quite authentic and quite genuine. But when you look back on it you just think, oh, that was really funny. So like, for example, we were on a holiday and there's a shot of my sister in like a little sailboat that my mom's filming from the beach with him and my sister and like he's got I can't remember who it does, but like I am sailing that song like is it Will Young? Like I am sailing.

Speaker 3:

Okay.

Speaker 3:

I am sailing like that one and we're like I remember the last time we watched it we were just like in hysterics as a family, like one after you used that song. It just makes it look so naff, anyway, so that. So I always enjoyed seeing my dad do stuff like that, like editing, and so I started making my own little short films with like my action figures and stuff and I did one of like Lord of the Rings parody. But then I guess the thing I really kind of like locked it in was we were watching an episode of David Attenborough and it was a shot.

Speaker 3:

It was a behind the scenes episode where they were watching how they were filming, I guess, a mating ritual of these of these humpback whales. It's these giant creatures and there's a. There's a shot where you can see the cameraman. He's in his scuba gear and he's like about 20 feet below the surface of the water. No, probably, probably even more than that if you're dealing with humpback whales, but he's, um, he's like just either way, these whales up there they're swimming past him, they're swimming, they're above him, they're below him, they're beside him.

Speaker 3:

These huge things and this tiny cameraman and he's he's just watching it and it cuts back to the shots that he's filming and he tilts up and there's this giant whale right above him, kind of passing over him, and I thought that was incredible. I thought like just that, that shot, that image, was just insane, that you can see the world whilst capturing these beautiful things. And I turned to my dad, like I literally said, like I I'd love to do that. And dad was like, well, you can, you could do that. And I think, literally from that moment, I was like bang, I want to do camera operating, I want to be a cameraman. I think that was a because, yeah, the idea of traveling and just seeing these incredible things, I guess being the eye of the audience.

Speaker 2:

And so what's the most fascinating aspect of the filmmaking process?

Speaker 3:

I think, yeah, I think, um, I find most fascinating is, like, I guess, the the impacts it has on culture and or pop culture at least. Anyway, it's a signifier on what someone's interested in. So I don't know, you could like if, if there's a particularly goofy film that you like and someone says, oh, I love that film too, then you're like, hey, like you know, you've made a friend there. It brings people together, it invokes thoughts and feelings, and a really good film, I think, is the one that leaves you with like a either a question or like something to talk about.

Speaker 3:

You know, and I think that's what I really find the most like moving is is that you can, you can do a lot with film. You can change someone's opinion on things, you can. You can move someone to tears, you can move someone to laughter, and I think that's that. Just what it can do is just a very it's a very simple thing of just watching a couple of people playing, pretend, but you know you can really empathize and you can with with a story that someone's trying to tell or you know, you can. You can be blown away by visual spectacle. There's so much you can do with it, I think, and there's so much that people can relate to and come together with, I think and so now that you mentioned actually like something that's visually stunning, so what's the most visually stunning film you've ever seen?

Speaker 3:

Lord of the Rings because I also just recently watched it as well. I just watched Return of the King. That film had like a huge impact on me and my sister visually I think as well, because we love to watch how much work went into it. So, for example, the costumes and stuff, Not only the shots and the incredible cinematography of it, but the fact that it was all real and you really were there, you know, you could really see it. And I think there was one shot I think that was cinematography, the realism, the whole of it. It's the shot where Gandalf. Have you seen Return of the King lately?

Speaker 2:

Ages ago yeah.

Speaker 3:

I think it's. Do you remember the shot where, like, gandalf is running towards? Okay, so Mordor is coming over to the last. It's coming over the field. There's the clouds. Gandalf is galloping across the field. You've got the horses coming across the shot whilst the Nazgul are flying above them and he shoots a beam of light. The camera tracks with Gandalf. You can see him in the foreground, all the riders of Rohan in the background and just the count. You can see it was like done with a vehicle. I suppose it was just following the horses and following that and it was just such an incredible shot.

Speaker 3:

If anyone remembers the shot from my ramblings? I guess.

Speaker 2:

Well, in my very first episode on this podcast I had a friend from New Zealand and she says we talked about Lord of the Rings for a bit and she says that everyone in New Zealand knows someone who took part in those films.

Speaker 3:

As an extra yeah as an extra.

Speaker 2:

So she knows a girl from her high school that was maybe you know this because I actually said this to my sister's husband because he loves Lord of the Rings and he knew the exact shot. There's this little girl and she says something like mommy, yeah, and she's on a horse and she's escaping with her brother.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That girl, oh, that's brilliant. I love that. She's the one girl that proves that it passes the Bechdel test. It's like there's that classic joke of because I think Lord of the Rings it's very close to not part it only just technically passes the Bechdel test of like that two female characters talk to each other. About that it's something that isn't a man and it's literally that little girl. She says to A we're like where's mama? Shhh, and then like that's it, that's all it is. Yeah and it's so. I saw like a meme or something. It was like the only the time when only two female characters talk to each other. Where's mama?

Speaker 3:

Shhh, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba ba, directed by Peter Jackson.

Speaker 2:

That's so funny. And so what's? What's it? A first movie you remember watching in a movie theater.

Speaker 3:

I guess that I think the first one would be Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone, because I remember my mother's friend was a big Harry Potter nerd and he loved the books and he so, me and my sister. I think I was about when did it come out? In 2000 or 2001? I was about four. I was about four or five years old. My sister would have been seven. I just remember him giving us this Harry Potter themed box with all. We were about to go to the cinema to see it.

Speaker 3:

I don't remember actually seeing it, but I remember that, like he gave us this box, it's lovely cloak and like a wizard's hat. I don't remember wearing that in the theater, but I don't actually remember watching the film, but I do remember watching the Chamber of Secrets because that that I think my sister freaked me out, because I don't think I knew the concept that there was the books or that she knew what would happen because she had read the books. And on the day that we went to see it my dad was painting the dining room color red or something and she wrote on the wall the Chamber of Secrets has been opened. The enemies of the air beware.

Speaker 3:

And I was like what on earth does that mean? I had no idea what that meant or anything. And then it came up in the film and I looked at her just completely flabbergasted. I had no idea that she. I was like how the hell did she know? Yeah, so it's kind of I just Harry Potter, I'd say, is like the the first experience of going to the cinema. I do remember that very well.

Speaker 2:

Next question so what's your guilty pleasure movie?

Speaker 3:

Oh, I've got a few. One good one to always make me laugh. That, I know, is like so dumb and immature. I love Team America. Team America is so funny You've ever seen it.

Speaker 2:

No, I haven't watched it.

Speaker 3:

Oh, it's very funny. Well, for that like, if anyone who doesn't know, it's written and made by Matt Stone and Trey Parker, who also did South Park. They, they're the writers and voice actors of South Park, so it's basically South Park, but with, like Thunderbird, marionette puppets, and it's a brilliant satire on kind of that kind of America, fuck yeah. Kind of think, like that's literally their theme song is like America, fuck yeah. And it's it's so funny, it's so self analytical and so self aware, I think, of American culture and like how the rest of the world sees America as just these kind of just these like gun-toting cowboys who come in and blow everything up and they're destroying all these world, world landmarks.

Speaker 3:

Like the very beginning scene is this hilarious scene with, like you've got these very stereotypical terrorists in the streets of Paris, a very stereotypical also, like it's just full of stereotypes anyway, but they're just so perverse and just in your face. It's just. That is just so ridiculous. Of course it's silly, of course it's supposed to be silly. You know, the world police come in to sort out the terrorists, but in turn they destroy the entirety of Paris. They blow up the Eiffel Tower, it falls and it falls onto the Louvre Museum. Well, just a great line. Like one of them launches a rocket, misses and hits the what's that arch in in Paris, that's by roundabout oh, what's it called?

Speaker 2:

oh, the arc, the tree ah, the arc, the triumphant that's it. You studied french.

Speaker 3:

I did not know well we, oh god, our french teacher was a man from yorkshire, so he was like bonjour and like he talked with a very he spoke with a very northern accent. So I say evu, mercy, so that's where I get my french accent from. Yeah, but uh, yeah, no, that's a. That's a good guilty pleasure film, I think to america, but also another one I think as well. I like to watch this for a good cry.

Speaker 2:

It's about time I just had a good cry with the TV series one day on Netflix 100% recommend. And so if you could bring any character to life and be friends with them, who would it be?

Speaker 3:

Oh, now this I really am not sure. Okay, who would be one for you? That's, I'm gonna get some inspiration. Who's a? Who's a?

Speaker 2:

Well, for me we talked about Harry Potter, so for me it would be Ron Weasley. I loved him Funny quirky I could totally see myself being friends with him. And just have a good laugh.

Speaker 3:

Oh, I've just had one. Yeah, I think the Gene Wilder, willy Wonka, I think, or anything with Gene Wilder in it. Actually, no, no, I tell you what. No, the Waco kid from Blazing Saddles is Gene Wilder. Gene Wilder is the Waco kid. It's just a completely stupid wacky Western parody, but it's also a very thought out satire of racism and ignorance, I think. But Gene Wilder, I think, in that film, I think any. I would just love to be friends with just Gene Wilder in general.

Speaker 2:

And so, if you had to recommend a film that perfectly captures the essence of your culture, what movie would it be?

Speaker 3:

So we talking British culture, I suppose.

Speaker 2:

Of course.

Speaker 3:

Of course lovely. Yeah, that was. That's a difficult one, I think, because there's a lot of aspects of culture, of British culture. I think it can kind of really be summed down into, I guess, two categories. That we like to do the most is like kind of realism, I guess of telling like a kind of honest depiction of how we feel life of. Sometimes.

Speaker 3:

Life isn't always what we want it to be and sometimes we go through disappointments, but I think at the end of the day it's. You know, we have a lot of films where life is a roller coaster but it also kind of has some bittersweetness to it, you know. And then there's others where I think we do a lot of humor, where because of that, because of that kind of that way that we're brought up as is quite cynical and nihilistic. But you know quite I don't want to say negative to the world, but let's just say more cautious, I suppose, more kind of more. As Brits I think we're quite cynical and quite kind of like I don't want to say realistic more. We keep our dreams in check, something like that. So I think because of that we go into humor and we go into a lot of like silly humor.

Speaker 3:

So that's where you get things like Monty Python. So for those kind of two things, I think with films to recommend for that culture, it would be for the realism. I think you could go down the route of things that Mike Lee has done. Like, life is sweet and I just love the natural performance of it. Reality, that of just these people kind of toddling along, and that's kind of the essence of a lot of like Mike Lee's films is just people just living their lives and living a quiet little little little existence. But then with with comedy, in that kind of comedy culture, you want Monty Python, you want something silly, you want something slapstick like Benny Hill or you know, meaning of life Although meaning of life is actually very like is very silly whilst also being very, quite hard hitting as well.

Speaker 2:

I told you, for me it's laugh actually, like for the use of it.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, was that a good, I guess, intro, at least for me as a yeah, as a like foreigner.

Speaker 2:

That's how I see Britain, with Hugh Grant as the Prime Minister.

Speaker 3:

Oh, if only we had Hugh Grant as the Prime Minister.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I mean, I would move back right now in the second, me too. Yeah. And so I know that you attended the Cannes Film Festival. How was that? How was the experience it was?

Speaker 3:

fantastic. Yes, so that was a. That was a trip that we did through university. It was incredible and I think it was the first holiday that I'd been on where it was. I guess it was just me and my mates was just me and a few mates rather than my family, which was great, it was we. When we basically got kind of free reign, they gave us like a map of the area. They gave us all our kind of they on the first day they said right, here's our hotel, this is where we are. We're here for like three days and they kind of just gave us almost free reign of Cannes and we went to the beach.

Speaker 3:

We tried to get into see some movies, like because the first thing that we you'd have to do because of our, our tickets, we were just kind of standard guests so we could go in to see things, but we'd have to queue up and we we were basically seat fillers, so it wasn't guaranteed that you'd get in to see a premiere. The year that we went it was Rocket man was the big premiere, the Elton John biopic. We went to that red carpet event. We did. I didn't gain, but I think a couple people from my course did. But the girl that did, I heard, didn't know it was about Elton John. She didn't know what it was about, she just thought it was a sci-fi picture?

Speaker 2:

Oh, because it's called Rocket man.

Speaker 3:

So everyone who knew that, everyone who was really wanted to go and see it, we're just like, like she didn't even know, but we, because of that, we saw. We saw Elton John, we saw Tara Negaton from the line. We're like, oh, there it is. Like so that was cool.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, can I just ask you something, Because this is what I've heard. I don't know if it's true. You have to clarify that one for me. So I heard that when you are queuing without the actual ticket because you're waiting, if you're gonna get a ticket you still have to dress in like a full gown, like suit and tie. Yeah. If you're not wearing a nice dress or whatever, they would just not let you in. Yeah, that's exactly it.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, like I didn't come out of a suit in the whole trip I wore, I just wore like blazers and nice shirts, like the whole time. I loved it. I loved soaking up the kind of the Mediterranean vibe. I thought it was fantastic.

Speaker 3:

Fancy but yes, we did. We all went in our kind of we all dressed up. There's. I got like videos and photos of us all in our tuxedos and our gowns and like the Rocket man premiere, that was the big one. So we all went in tuxedos and everything and ball gowns and everything, and then we didn't get in. So then a bunch of us just went to McDonald's and it was. It was. It was so funny because it was our group, and then we could see another group that had clearly had the same idea because they were also in their full ballroom garb. But, yes, yeah, it was very, because I think you're I guess you're referring to the high heel. What's the dress code, isn't it You've got? If you're a woman, you've got to be wearing heels.

Speaker 2:

Oh really.

Speaker 3:

That's what I've heard. Yeah, yeah, if you want to go into the Cannes Film Festival, you have to wearing high heels, and I think there was a big. There was a bit of controversy with it in the last kind of few years. I would hate that. Yeah yeah, no, I did not envy the girls on that trip honestly, because I mean, even in my, even in my own shoes, like my dress shoes and stuff, they were bad enough, let alone Christ, what the girls were wearing.

Speaker 2:

Oh poor things. Now we have to talk about the Oscars.

Speaker 3:

Yes, they're approaching. What day is it? What date is it? It's the 16th. No, it's the 11th. The 11th of.

Speaker 2:

March. The 11th of March. So, yeah, so, so yeah. If you were a member of the Academy, which category would you be most passionate about voting for?

Speaker 3:

It would continue on with cinematography and the kind of visual aspect of it. I think, like I think I do think you can really get creative with the visuals, you know, and I think also a lot of creativity goes into cinematography and how to tell the story through what you're seeing.

Speaker 2:

And what film from the past year do you think deserves to win Best Picture at the Oscars?

Speaker 3:

I watched Maestro, which was very good. I think that, but I haven't seen many films from the last year. I have to be honest. But what are your predictions?

Speaker 2:

I think Oppenheimer is going to win.

Speaker 3:

Oh yeah, you know, you know, it'll clean house.

Speaker 2:

And Killian Murphy. I love him. I think he's just very, very. I really like.

Speaker 3:

I love the swoon there.

Speaker 2:

He's just very, very interesting and I actually listened to this podcast he is on Do you Know? The Yee Podcast? What the Fuck? With Mark Marin.

Speaker 3:

No.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, and he just like Killian Murphy. He talks a lot about like how he started. I think he started off as a lawyer actually, but he realized that he hates it and he started touring Ireland with this like tiny theater group and you know, he's just like a very he seems like a very sweet guy, like very down to earth and, yeah, I think he deserves whatever he's getting.

Speaker 3:

Yes, yeah, I do really enjoy a lot of his performances. He's a very he's got a good range. He's got a real good range, that actor I think. I think he's a very striking looking man. He makes a good impression. I think. He's very stoic. That's what I think is quite attractive about him is that he is. It's you're wanting to know what he's thinking. I think he, he.

Speaker 3:

Well, he will never tell you yeah yeah, he's one of those people that you just like. Oh, what do you think of me? Like you, I think. I feel like if I ever met him, I'd just be like oh please, like me, like.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, and so what do you think is the most embarrassing moment Questionable or debatable from the Oscars?

Speaker 3:

Well, a couple come to mind, I think in the more kind of few years, like I think probably the biggest one would be obviously, like Will Smith, oh, gosh yeah. I mean, that was, that was a huge God. I wish I could have watched that live.

Speaker 3:

Because, like I think I I think I forgot that the Oscars was on. And then I woke up and then I see like all these memes just of Will Smith smacking Chris Rock, and I was like wait, what, like, what is going on? Yeah, so that was, that was a huge, I think, defining moment, I think, for I guess how the Oscars handled that situation. Yeah, that was a. That was a kind of big one, I think, in terms of embarrassment of like actors and. But then obviously a few years ago, like you've got, you've got a good story because I mean, we met.

Speaker 2:

Do you want to say yeah, we worked for a company that did the movie La La Land and they announced La La Land as the winner of the Best Picture category. So everyone went up on stage and then suddenly they started waving this envelope, being like no, there's been a mistake. And and yeah, I remember coming to the office the next day and there was just silent, no one. Everyone was just shocked. You know, there's just so many people who work for a movie to be successful and then when things like this happen.

Speaker 2:

It's just like.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, and it's like something as so simple as yeah, it's something as so simple as just a mistake and it has. See, that's like what I mean about. Like with culture. It just has such huge ripple effects with just this whole thing. In the name of films, there's obviously some good funny ones. I think that, like I remember Ben Stiller in the years that Avatar came out, he did like Thorne Blue Avatar Makeup he came out in as if in Navi character. So I thought I remember watching that and being like geez, that that rather cringe, but it was still like a good good kind of laugh.

Speaker 3:

I think sometimes you can get some really good, some funny bits from the Oscars. I think sometimes they can have some real good kind of parodies.

Speaker 2:

One more thing that comes to mind is Lady Gaga and Bradley Cooper performing the. What's the name of the? Song yeah uh Shallow. Yeah.

Speaker 3:

Shallow. Yeah, because they weren't they really getting into it with each?

Speaker 2:

other. They were like really, yeah, I know. So I think everyone was just like oh.

Speaker 3:

I'll have to rewatch that one because I do. Yeah, because I remember I was thinking like wait, isn't, isn't, isn't is Bradley. Was Bradley Cooper married at the time?

Speaker 2:

I think so, and so what's the most surprising Oscar win or nomination in recent years in your opinion?

Speaker 3:

Uh, yeah, I think the most surprising one, I guess, is the most recent one that everyone's kind of thinking about of like first one that comes to mind is, like Ryan Gosling's best supporting actor. Now, I know neither of us have seen Barbie. We're like I think we're the only two people on the planet who haven't seen it.

Speaker 2:

But I'm planning to, yes, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3:

I just need to get the need to get the popcorn out first. But no, I think like that was one that kind of shot me, that like Margaret Robbie didn't get one. But again I saw something recent, just because, not because of like performance, but I think the Oscars tend to go for the nominations that are quite obvious or ones, I guess, ones that have I get things like biopics. Biopics are often Oscar bait, I think, like for a performer, so I don't know.

Speaker 3:

Like Rami Malik in Bohemian Rhapsody, that's one that I was quite surprised by because I wasn't too impressed with the performance. I think he did a great performance, but I think it's just kind of like I just contradicted myself a bit there, but I think it was a good performance, but I think it wasn't really fully Oscar. It was just kind of like an impression rather than the embodiment of Freddie Mercury kind of thing. I didn't see Freddie Mercury, I just saw Rami Malik with giant teeth putting on like a big, like oh yes, we've got like. And I think I think, yeah, I think often with biopics that will almost guarantee someone an Oscar sometime, or not guarantee, but at least a nomination. I think sometimes may not always be the most merited, and I think Oscars can sometimes go for the sensational films, like the sensationalism and what films have made the best splash. So I think that was quite surprising that not even Margot Rami was not even nominated for Best Actress, I think.

Speaker 2:

But not just her. We have to mention the director too. Oh yes, of course Freddie Mercury wasn't nominated either.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, I think that's another one. It's like that's it made such a huge deal, so what would be so awful about her being nominated, you know?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, but also, like I don't know if you watched the Grammys I didn't watch the whole show, but I just watched like short clips and Jay-Z, he's saying that music is very subjective and I think it's exact same thing goes for movies. It's just very subjective. Can you explain the word snub, or snubbed to be snubbed?

Speaker 3:

I think to be snubbed I guess the way I understand it anyway is to really give, is to really make something, I guess to do a good job, to have everyone recognize that what you've done is a real good job. However, when it cut, if it's like in a nomination and you're not nominated for something, that is clearly, I guess, a lot better than some of the other things that have been nominated, and I guess it could be for whatever. It could be. Again, it could be for subjective reasons of whatever, whoever's on the board or whoever's deciding, it's whatever they prefer, or it could be like political reasons or all sorts of different things, you know. But I guess to be snubbed is to do something, I suppose, really good, really well, and not be recognized for it. Margot Robbie, margot Robbie and Greta Goh, I guess, yeah, I suppose.

Speaker 2:

So if you were a film producer, what type of movies would you green light? Would you say yes to it?

Speaker 3:

Yeah, I think I really like movies that are halfway between reality and fantasy, so films that can really tell a heartwarming story about stuff that a lot of us can relate to, but in just a really off the wall kind of way. So I love the Daniels, the two who basically won everything with everything everywhere all at once. Last year, oh man, when I saw that immediately went to my number two second favorite film of all time, just behind Blazance and Sons, of course. But I think I love and Swiss Army man the Daniels made the Swiss Army man as well Absolutely love that film so much and it's just so stupid and it's so silly, but it's like it's set in the kind of real world with an element of fantasy to it.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, I like those kind of things. I like Buddy kind of road trip films where I guess two characters they could be either against odds, they could be clashing, they could be like already in a good relationship kind of thing but they go on a journey. I love kind of journey films where you take two characters or a couple of characters on this kind of long journey where by the end of it you're just as exhausted as they are and you're just kind of like you feel the kind of sense of comfort when they do, when things are resolved or when that journey is completed anyway, and sometimes it can even open up to the journey not always ending the best way, you know, but it's still. It's taken you on that journey, it's. You're still just as tired and you're just kind of like oh god you know, kind of thing.

Speaker 2:

And so my very last question. So who is your celebrity crush that you've seen in?

Speaker 3:

person. So I guess celebrity crush it's not a film actor, I mean, the one kind of one that I've met that I did have a bit of a crush on was this theatre actress called Julie Atherton. She was in the. She was in Avenue Q, london. Gillian Jacobs from community, who's yours?

Speaker 2:

Rihanna. Oh, yes, I saw her and she wasn't at far. She was actually pretty close. How did you see her? Because I got to attend the premiere of the movie Valerian. I think it's still. It's the most expensive European movie ever made.

Speaker 3:

It was the one with Cara Delevingne, wasn't it?

Speaker 2:

Yes, yes, because I worked for a company that did this movie, so I got to attend and that's awesome. Yes, it was great and she was she. Actually Rihanna attended, so she was in the same cinema and she wore this like a huge red dress and she is stunning and she's beautiful. Yeah, so she didn't notice me, of course, but we had a good time together.

Speaker 3:

Nice. So what was that? Yeah, like, what was that? Like, because I've never been to a premiere, I suppose. So, like did you I don't know, were you wind and dined? Like did you go on the red carpet? Like, did you get to any VIP areas and stuff.

Speaker 2:

Well, I did, but no one took a picture of me. No, because obviously they're like the stars and they drive them like right, you know, there's the like the red carpet, and they drive them just where it starts. And then they get out of the car and they like no one drove me. I had to walk from, did you have to walk from the street, from the cheap station, and but I had to wear like a nice dress and stuff. So it was nice and and yeah, and then I like we had to be in the cinema, I don't know, by, let's say, 7pm, and then at like 7.15 the stars would come and there was like Rihanna, there was Cara De Levin, and and yeah, then they just said a few words and then the movie started.

Speaker 3:

I'll tell you what. That's. One of my that's a that's definitely a crush of mine. It's Cara De Levin. Whoa, oh, she's beautiful, oh, okay. It's the eyebrows, it's, it's yeah. They're striking yeah exactly, it's the striking eyebrows I like. I like her striking features.

Speaker 2:

Okay, okay, well, joe, thank you so much for this great check.

Speaker 3:

Thank you so much for having me.

Speaker 2:

And yeah, well, hopefully you'll meet Cara De Levin.

Speaker 3:

One day yes.

Speaker 2:

I can't promise you that, but I hope for the best.

Speaker 3:

Stranger things have happened. You know, maybe we'll set the scene here, maybe I might meet her on film set. And she says yeah maybe Joe. You know what, whoever I'm with at the moment, I'm gonna divorce them or whatever, and propose yes. Can you imagine proposed? Can you imagine if I had to propose to Cara De Levin, what the hell would I do on my budget? Well, yeah, no. Thank you very much for having me.

Speaker 2:

It's been so fun and thank you to everyone who's listened to this episode as well, and I'll see you next time. Bye.